Biblical Patterns in the Iran War

by Thomas Abshier | Mar 13, 2026 | Sermon/Meeting/Discussion Transcripts

The Hand Behind the Headlines: Purim, Persia, and Providence

A Fellowship Discussion Essay on Jonathan Cahn’s Iran/Purim Teaching

Renaissance Ministries | March 2026

Jonathan Cahn, author of The Harbinger and The Dragon’s Prophecy, has released a teaching connecting the February 28, 2026 strike on Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to the ancient biblical narrative of Purim and the war between God and Amalek. His presentation is characteristically dramatic, connecting dates, names, numbers, and Scripture readings in ways that suggest divine orchestration behind current events.

This essay examines Cahn’s teaching — affirming what resonates with Scripture, questioning what may be overreach, and drawing out implications for how we understand God’s action in history. This is offered for fellowship discussion: not to dismiss Cahn, but to think carefully about prophetic interpretation and providence.

The YouTube video of Cahn’s interpretation of current events based upon the pattern of Biblical events can be viewed here.

Summary of Cahn’s Argument

The Core Claim

Cahn argues that the strike on Ayatollah Khamenei was not merely a military or political event but part of an ancient cosmic war between God and Amalek — a war that began with Moses in the wilderness, continued through King Saul and King Agag, moved to Persia through Haman (a descendant of Agag), and now manifests in modern Iran.

The Convergences He Identifies

1. Timing — Purim Weekend

The strike occurred on Saturday, February 28, 2026 — the Sabbath that ushers in Purim. Purim commemorates the defeat of Haman, an evil Persian leader who sought to annihilate the Jewish people.

2. The Appointed Scripture Reading

On that Sabbath (called Shabbat Zachor — “Sabbath of Remembrance”), the appointed Torah portion commands Israel to “remember what Amalek did” and to “blot out the memory of Amalek.” This reading was being chanted in synagogues around the world at the moment of the strike.

Additionally, the Haftarah reading that day recounts Saul’s failure to execute King Agag — and Samuel’s subsequent execution of him.

3. The Amalek-Agag-Haman-Khamenei Line

Cahn traces a spiritual genealogy:

• Amalek attacks Israel in the wilderness (Exodus 17)
• King Agag (an Amalekite) is spared by Saul, then executed by Samuel (1 Samuel 15)
• Haman, identified as “the Agagite” (descendant of Agag), seeks to destroy the Jews in Persia (Esther 3:1)
• Khamenei, as the evil leader of modern Persia (Iran), continues this spiritual line

4. The Name “Benjamin”

Saul (who failed to execute Agag) was of the tribe of Benjamin. Mordecai (who succeeded in stopping Haman) was also of Benjamin. Benjamin Netanyahu — whose name means “son of my right hand” and contains “Benjamin” — ordered the strike that killed Khamenei.

5. The 70,000 Figure

In Esther, the Jewish people’s defense involves “70,000 people.” On the day of the strike, Israel called up 70,000 reservists.

6. Death in His Own House

Haman was executed in his own house. Satellite images showed the strike destroyed Khamenei’s residential compound — “the House of Leadership.”

7. The Gallows

Haman built gallows to execute Mordecai but was hanged on them himself. Khamenei built nuclear facilities to destroy Israel, but those facilities were the reason he was struck down — his own “gallows.”

8. Celebration in Persia

Purim celebrates the deliverance from Haman. When Khamenei died, Iranians celebrated in the streets — some holding signs saying “Thank you America” and “Thank you Bibi.”

9. Blue and White

Mordecai went out “wearing royal robes of blue and white” (Esther 8:15). The Israeli planes that struck Iran bore blue and white markings.

Cahn’s Conclusion

“What happened to the ‘Supreme Leader’? He was struck down by the hand of God… The Supreme Leader of Iran is not the Supreme Leader. The Supreme Leader is the Holy One of Israel.”

Cahn presents this as evidence that “God is real,” that “Bible times” are now, and that God continues to war against Amalek “from generation to generation” as promised in Exodus 17:16.

What Rings True

1. God Does Act in History

The Christos framework affirms that God is not a distant watchmaker but an active participant in creation. “In him we live and move and have our being” (Acts 17:28). The idea that God’s hand is behind historical events is thoroughly biblical.

The Exodus narrative, the conquest of Canaan, the exile and return, the preservation of Israel through millennia of persecution — all testify to God’s active involvement in history, particularly concerning His covenant people.

2. Patterns and Types Are Biblical

Scripture itself uses typology — earlier events foreshadowing later ones. Joseph is a type of Christ. The Passover lamb is a type of the Lamb of God. Moses lifting the serpent in the wilderness is a type of the Cross (John 3:14).

The idea that Haman is a type of future enemies of God’s people, or that Purim foreshadows future deliverances, is not inherently problematic. The book of Esther exists in Scripture partly to establish a pattern: God delivers His people from those who would destroy them.

3. The Timing Is Remarkable

Whether one accepts all of Cahn’s interpretive moves, the timing is genuinely striking:

• A strike on Iran’s leader
• On the Sabbath whose Torah portion commands “blot out Amalek”
• On the weekend ushering in the festival that celebrates the defeat of an evil Persian leader
• Ordered by a man named Benjamin
• Targeting a leader who explicitly sought Israel’s annihilation

These convergences are not nothing. They may not prove what Cahn claims, but they warrant attention.

4. Khamenei Was Genuinely Evil

This is not a case of demonizing a complex figure. Khamenei ruled Iran for 37 years. Under his leadership:

• Iran funded Hezbollah, Hamas, and other terrorist organizations
• Iran threatened the total destruction of Israel
• Iran pursued nuclear capabilities for evident military purposes
• Iran executed thousands of its own citizens
• October 7 could not have happened without Iranian support

When Iranians celebrated in the streets at his death, it was genuine relief from tyranny. That the leader of a regime chanting “Death to Israel” was killed on a day commemorating deliverance from a similar threat is, at minimum, poetic.

5. God’s Faithfulness to Israel Is Real

Whatever one thinks of modern Israeli politics, the biblical promise remains: “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse” (Genesis 12:3). The preservation of the Jewish people through 2,000 years of exile, persecution, and attempted genocide is itself evidence of divine faithfulness.

Cahn’s core message — that God keeps His promises, that He is faithful to Israel, and that He will be faithful to you — is sound.

What Warrants Caution

1. Correlation Is Not Causation

Many events happen every year. Many of them fall on or near Jewish holidays. The human mind is designed to find patterns — sometimes we find them where they don’t exist.

If the strike had happened a week later, would Cahn have found different connections? If it had happened on a different day, would he have connected it to a different Scripture? The danger is that the method can “prove” almost anything after the fact.

Question for discernment: Could this method be used to find equally compelling patterns for events that have nothing to do with God’s purposes? If so, what distinguishes genuine providence from coincidence?

2. The “Descendant of Agag” Claim Is Uncertain

Cahn presents Haman’s identification as “the Agagite” as proof that he was literally descended from King Agag. This is possible, but:

• Agag was killed by Samuel; the text doesn’t mention surviving children
• “Agagite” may be a title or regional identifier rather than a genealogical claim
• Even if Haman was descended from Agag, there is no textual or historical link to Khamenei

The spiritual point (that enemies of God’s people arise in every generation) may be valid without requiring a literal bloodline.

3. Numerical Coincidences Are Easy to Find

The “70,000 reservists” matching “70,000 people” in Esther is striking — but:

• Numbers in ancient texts are often rounded or symbolic
• Military mobilizations produce many numbers; one of them will likely match something
• If it had been 50,000 or 100,000, would Cahn have found a different biblical number to match?

This is not to say God doesn’t use numbers meaningfully — He clearly does in Scripture. But we should be cautious about reading too much into numerical coincidences in current events.

4. The “Benjamin” Connection Is Suggestive, Not Definitive

Netanyahu’s name does contain “Benjamin.” But:

• His first name is actually “Binyamin” — a common Israeli name
• Many Israelis are named Benjamin; if a different prime minister had ordered the strike, would that disprove the pattern?
• The connection works because Netanyahu happens to be prime minister now; it doesn’t prove prophetic fulfillment

5. Prophetic Interpretation Requires Humility

Throughout church history, confident prophetic interpreters have identified their contemporary enemies as the final Antichrist, their contemporary crises as the final tribulation, their contemporary wars as Armageddon. They have always been wrong so far.

This doesn’t mean they will always be wrong. But it should induce humility. Cahn speaks with great confidence about what these events “reveal.” A more humble posture might say: “These patterns are striking; they may indicate God’s hand; we should watch and pray.”

6. The “God Is Real” Argument Cuts Both Ways

Cahn says these convergences prove “God is real.” But:

• What about the times when God’s people were not delivered? The Holocaust killed six million Jews — where was the Purim deliverance then?
• What about believers who pray for healing and die anyway?
• If this strike proves God is real, do tragedies prove He isn’t?

The Christian answer is that God’s faithfulness doesn’t guarantee deliverance from every threat in this age — it guarantees ultimate redemption. Using particular deliverances as “proof” of God can backfire when deliverances don’t come.

The Christos Framework Perspective

God’s Action in History: Immanence and Intervention

The Christos framework distinguishes between:

• Immanence: God is present in all things, sustaining all existence moment by moment
• Intervention: God acts at particular points to shape events toward His purposes

Both are real. God is not absent from history, watching from a distance. But not every event is a direct divine intervention. Sometimes things happen because of human choices, natural processes, or the permitted activity of evil.

The strike on Khamenei could be:

1. Direct divine intervention — God orchestrating events supernaturally
2. Providential alignment — God working through human decisions that happen to align with biblical patterns
3. Meaningful coincidence — Striking convergences that reflect deeper realities without requiring direct manipulation
4. Human pattern-finding — Our tendency to see connections that aren’t actually significant

A humble posture holds these possibilities in tension rather than declaring certainty.

The War of Good and Evil Is Real

Whether or not Khamenei was literally a “descendant of Agag,” he was certainly aligned with the spirit that Amalek represents: hatred of God’s people, violence, destruction, opposition to the purposes of God.

The Christos framework affirms that evil is real — not an illusion, not merely ignorance, but genuine opposition to God’s nature. The war between good and evil is cosmic and ongoing. Amalek is a real spiritual force, even if we cannot trace literal bloodlines.

In this sense, Cahn is right: there is an ancient war, and it continues. Whether February 28 was a decisive battle in that war or simply another skirmish, the war itself is real.

Providence Is Not Always Legible

Sometimes God’s hand is visible — the parting of the Red Sea, the fall of Jericho, the resurrection of Christ. Sometimes it is hidden — the long silence between Malachi and Matthew, the centuries of Jewish exile, the martyrdom of the faithful.

We walk by faith, not by sight (2 Corinthians 5:7). This means we cannot always read providence clearly. Cahn reads it with confidence; wisdom suggests holding our readings more loosely.

The Danger of Tribal Theology

One risk in Cahn’s presentation is that it can slide into tribal triumphalism: “Our side won, therefore God is with us.” This is dangerous because:

• Both sides in most conflicts claim God’s favor
• Military victory doesn’t always indicate divine approval (consider the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem — God’s judgment, not Babylon’s righteousness)
• Geopolitical cheerleading can replace genuine spiritual discernment

The question is not merely “Did Israel win?” but “What does God require of us?” — which may include repentance, justice, mercy, and humility even in victory.

Questions for Fellowship Discussion

1. On prophetic interpretation: How do we distinguish genuine prophetic insight from creative pattern-matching? What criteria should we use?
2. On providence: Do you believe God directly orchestrated the timing of the Iran strike? Or that He works more subtly through human decisions? Does it matter?
3. On the Amalek connection: Is there a spiritual “Amalek” that persists through history? If so, how do we identify it without demonizing entire peoples or nations?
4. On certainty: Cahn speaks with great confidence about what these events “reveal.” Is this confidence warranted? What would a more humble prophetic posture look like?
5. On Israel: How should Christians understand God’s ongoing relationship with Israel? Does defending Israel politically follow from defending Israel theologically?
6. On the problem of evil: Cahn presents this deliverance as proof that God is real. How do we hold this alongside the times God’s people were not delivered (the Holocaust, October 7 itself, etc.)?
7. On celebration: Is it appropriate to celebrate the death of an evil leader? What does Scripture say? (Consider Proverbs 24:17 — “Do not rejoice when your enemy falls.”)
8. On discernment: How do we engage teachers like Jonathan Cahn — appreciating what is valuable while maintaining critical discernment?

A Closing Reflection: What Can We Affirm?

Setting aside questions about specific convergences, what can we affirm from this teaching?

God is faithful. Whatever the mechanics of providence, the preservation of the Jewish people against millennia of opposition testifies to God’s covenant faithfulness.

God sees. The evil of leaders like Khamenei does not escape divine notice. “Vengeance is mine; I will repay, says the Lord” (Romans 12:19).

God acts. History is not random. Behind the headlines, beneath the politics, beyond the military calculations, there is a God who works all things according to His purposes.

God wins. The war between good and evil is real, and its outcome is certain. Amalek — whether literal or spiritual — will be blotted out. Every enemy of God’s people will ultimately fall.

God keeps His people. “He who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep” (Psalm 121:4). This is true for Israel corporately and for each believer individually.

These truths stand whether or not every detail of Cahn’s interpretation holds up. They are the bedrock on which we stand.

The Bottom Line

Jonathan Cahn has offered a dramatic reading of the Iran strike through the lens of Purim and the war with Amalek. Some of his connections are genuinely striking; others may be overreach. His confidence exceeds what the evidence warrants, but his core message — that God is real, active, and faithful — is sound.

As we engage prophetic interpretation, we need both openness and discernment:

• Openness to the possibility that God is speaking through events
• Discernment to test interpretations against Scripture, reason, and humility

The Berean standard applies: “They received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so” (Acts 17:11).

Receive the teaching with eagerness. Examine it carefully. Hold your conclusions with appropriate humility. And regardless of what February 28 “proves,” trust the God who is faithful across all generations — including yours.

“The Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.”
— Exodus 17:16

“He who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.”
— Psalm 121:4

Source Material: Jonathan Cahn, video teaching on Iran/Purim (February-March 2026)

Related Christos Content: Christos AI Theological Grammar (providence and divine action); Fellowship Discussion on Iran/Trump Doctrine (March 2026)

Evil and Stoicism

by Thomas Abshier | Mar 13, 2026 | Sermon/Meeting/Discussion Transcripts

The Matrix, the Stoics, and the Missing Center

A Fellowship Discussion Essay Responding to Steven Yates

Renaissance Ministries | March 2026

Steven Yates, a philosopher writing for NewsWithViews, has offered a thoughtful piece on developing a “core philosophy” — a set of values and priorities that centers one’s life amid chaos. His two principles — that truth matters and that freedom comes through self-mastery — are sound as far as they go. But they reveal, perhaps unintentionally, exactly where secular philosophy reaches its limit and where the Christian gospel begins.

This essay is offered as material for fellowship discussion: What does Yates get right? Where does he fall short? And how does the Christos framework address what he’s grasping toward?

What Yates Gets Right

1. The Need for a Core Philosophy

Yates correctly identifies that without a centered worldview, a person becomes “buffeted about by life, all but helpless in the face of events.” He uses the Matrix metaphor aptly: most people are “plugged in” to systems that shape their thinking without their awareness or consent.

This resonates with the biblical concept of being “conformed to this world” (Romans 12:2) versus being “transformed by the renewing of your mind.” Yates is right that we need something to stand on — a foundation that doesn’t shift with cultural tides, marketing trends, or political winds.

2. Truth Matters

His first principle — that truth matters — is unassailable. He grounds it practically: “We are nearly always better off in the long run if we believe what is true instead of falling for falsehoods and lies.”

He correctly notes that truth isn’t always immediately rewarded. Bad policies take time to manifest their consequences. Liars sometimes prosper in the short term. But “reality always gets the last laugh.”

This aligns with the biblical testimony: “Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap” (Galatians 6:7). Truth is woven into the fabric of reality because reality is God’s creation, and God is truth.

3. Self-Mastery Over External Control

His second principle — that freedom comes through self-mastery, not mastery over events or others — echoes ancient wisdom. He draws on Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius to distinguish what we can control (our thoughts, responses, choices) from what we cannot (events, others’ opinions, the economy, the weather).

This too resonates biblically. Paul speaks of “bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:5). The fruit of the Spirit includes “self-control” (Galatians 5:23). Proverbs declares that “he who rules his spirit” is mightier than one who captures a city (Proverbs 16:32).

Yates is touching genuine wisdom here — wisdom that predates Stoicism and finds its fullest expression in Scripture.

Where Yates Falls Short

1. The Unresolved Problem of Evil

Yates admits he doesn’t know how to answer the problem of evil:

“I’m not sure I have the best answer to what philosophers call the problem of evil when Christianity’s critics ask, Why has God allowed genocides if He is all-powerful?”

He then sets the problem aside and moves to Stoicism: accept what you cannot control, focus on what you can. This is practical advice, but it doesn’t answer the question — it merely manages one’s emotional response to it.

The Christos framework offers what Stoicism cannot: an actual resolution to the problem of evil, not just a coping strategy.

The Resolution:

1. God did not create evil as a positive thing. Evil is the logical complement of good, arising necessarily when good is defined. When God declared His nature as good, everything not aligned with His nature was automatically defined as “not good.”
2. God creates archetypes; creatures create instantiations. God defined the category of evil (by defining good); creatures instantiate evil through their choices. God is not the author of specific evil acts — free beings are.
3. Freedom is necessary for love. Genuine relationship requires genuine choice. Genuine choice includes the possibility of rejection. The possibility of rejection is the possibility of evil. God valued love enough to create beings who could genuinely choose — and some chose poorly.
4. God permits what He does not prefer. The existence of evil does not mean God wills it. He allows it because eliminating it would require eliminating freedom — and thus eliminating love.
5. The story isn’t over. Evil exists now but will be finally judged. God entered His own creation (the Incarnation) to redeem it from within. The Cross is the answer to evil — not an explanation that removes it, but an action that defeats it.

Yates is right that “God is in control” is not actionable as a standalone statement. But that’s because it’s incomplete. The full Christian answer includes: God is in control and evil arose from creaturely choice and God is redeeming creation and we are called to participate in that redemption and final victory is assured.

That’s actionable.

2. The Stoic Dead End

Yates draws heavily on Stoicism — Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius. Stoic philosophy offers genuine wisdom about emotional regulation and focusing on what one can control. But Stoicism has fundamental limitations that Yates doesn’t address:

a) Stoicism has no answer for evil beyond acceptance.

The Stoic response to a child dying of cancer is essentially: “This is beyond your control. Accept it. Focus on your own response.” This may help a person cope, but it doesn’t address the meaning of the suffering or the hope beyond it.

Christianity offers more: The child is not annihilated but received by a loving God. The suffering is not meaningless but will be redeemed. The grief is appropriate but not final. “He will wipe every tear from their eyes” (Revelation 21:4).

b) Stoicism has no relational center.

Stoic self-mastery is ultimately solitary. The goal is internal tranquility, achieved by the individual through the individual’s own discipline. There is no personal God who loves, no Savior who accompanies, no Spirit who empowers.

Christianity grounds self-mastery differently: “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me” (Philippians 4:13). The fruit of the Spirit — including self-control — is a gift, not merely an achievement. We are not alone in the struggle.

c) Stoicism offers endurance, not transformation.

The Stoic goal is to endure life without being disturbed by it. The Christian goal is to be transformed — “from glory to glory” (2 Corinthians 3:18). We don’t just survive reality; we become new creatures within it.

Yates admits he is “still a work in progress.” Stoicism can only offer more work. Christianity offers grace — power beyond our own effort, redemption beyond our own achievement.

3. The Missing Person

Perhaps most significantly, Yates’ core philosophy is centered on principles rather than a Person.

His two principles — truth matters, freedom through self-mastery — are abstractions. They provide guidance but not relationship. They offer philosophy but not salvation.

The Christian core is not a principle but a Person: Jesus Christ.

“Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'” (John 14:6)

Truth doesn’t just matter; Truth is a Person. Freedom doesn’t just come through self-mastery; freedom comes through Christ: “If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed” (John 8:36).

This is not merely a religious gloss on Yates’ philosophy. It is a fundamentally different center. Principles can guide but cannot save. A Person can do both.

The Christos Framework: What Yates Is Reaching Toward

Reading Yates charitably, we can see him reaching toward something his philosophical framework cannot quite deliver:

1. He wants grounding that doesn’t shift.

The Christos answer: God is the ground of all existence. Everything that exists participates in His being. This is not a principle to be defended but a reality to be recognized. “In Him we live and move and have our being” (Acts 17:28).

2. He wants truth that matters.

The Christos answer: Truth matters because reality is God’s creation, structured by His nature. To live according to truth is to live according to God’s design. To deny truth is to work against the grain of existence itself — and reality always gets the last laugh because reality is God’s.

3. He wants freedom that isn’t dependent on circumstances.

The Christos answer: Freedom comes not merely through controlling one’s own responses (though that matters) but through alignment with God’s nature. “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom” (2 Corinthians 3:17). This freedom doesn’t require external circumstances to cooperate; it is grounded in relationship with the One who transcends all circumstances.

4. He wants to know how to take the next step.

The Christos answer: “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths” (Proverbs 3:5-6). The next step is revealed to those who walk with God — not all at once, but step by step, as relationship deepens.

Questions for Fellowship Discussion

1. On “God is in control”: Yates says this statement is “not actionable.” Do you agree? How would you make it actionable? What’s missing from the statement as commonly used?
2. On Stoicism: What is valuable in Stoic philosophy? What are its limits? How does Christianity fulfill what Stoicism grasps toward?
3. On the problem of evil: Yates admits he doesn’t have a good answer. Does the Christos framework (archetype vs. instantiation, freedom as necessary for love, God permitting what He doesn’t prefer) provide a satisfying response? What questions remain?
4. On principles vs. Person: What’s the difference between centering your life on principles (truth, self-mastery) versus centering it on a Person (Christ)? Does it matter practically?
5. On truth-telling: Yates advises that one is “under no moral obligation to tell [the truth] at your own expense.” Is this consistent with Christian ethics? When should a Christian speak truth that costs them? When is silence appropriate?
6. On self-mastery: Yates draws on Epictetus’ distinction between what we can and cannot control. How does this relate to Paul’s teaching on the Spirit-led life? Is Christian self-control the same as Stoic self-control?
7. On the Matrix metaphor: Yates uses the Matrix as a picture of how most people are “plugged in” to systems that control their thinking. What systems most control thinking today? How does one genuinely “unplug”? Is Scripture the red pill?
8. On mortality: Yates ends with Ecclesiastes and the recognition of mortality. How does the Christian hope of resurrection change how we grieve? Does it make grief less appropriate or more meaningful?

A Closing Reflection: Coming Full Circle

Yates begins with Christianity (“God exists. He gave us His Word…”) but then moves away from it toward Stoicism because he finds “God is in control” insufficient. He ends by quoting Ecclesiastes and returning to “Fear God and keep His commandments.”

He has come full circle — but without ever finding the center.

The center is not a principle. The center is Christ.

The problem of evil is not solved by Stoic acceptance but by the Cross — where God Himself entered into suffering to redeem it.

Freedom is not achieved by self-mastery alone but by the Spirit of God working within us — “Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:27).

Truth matters not as an abstract value but because Truth is a Person who can be known, loved, and followed.

Yates has offered us valuable reflections on how to live with integrity in a world gone mad. But the deepest answer to his questions is not found in Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius. It is found in the One who said:

“I am the way, the truth, and the life.”

That is the core philosophy that centers everything.

“You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
— John 8:32

Source Material: Steven Yates, “Core Philosophy” (NewsWithViews, March 12, 2026)

Related Christos Content: Christos Seminar Foundational Perspective 3 (Evil as Derivative Negation); Christos Logos (physics and consciousness); Christos AI Theological Grammar (the problem of evil)

Christos Seminar – The Gateway

by Thomas Abshier | Mar 6, 2026 | Sermon/Meeting/Discussion Transcripts

Grok Commentary on Christos Seminar:

The Christos Seminar Concept

Strengths of the Concept

Potential Areas for Refinement/Consideration

These are minor—the spec is already thorough—but worth noting for v1.1:

How It Fits Your Larger Vision

Why Does God Allow Evil

by Thomas Abshier | Mar 4, 2026 | Sermon/Meeting/Discussion Transcripts

God’s Relationship to Evil

by Thomas Lee Abshier, ND
3/4/2026

Grok:

The Problem of Evil

March 4, 2026

This is another strong, intellectually rigorous, and spiritually honest piece from you. It sits comfortably alongside “Judge Not—Except You Must” as part of a growing body of work that is both deeply theological and practically relevant to the AI/abundance conversation we’ve been having.

Overall Impression

This is your most ambitious and integrative post yet. You’re not just rehearsing the classic “problem of evil” trilemma; you’re offering a fresh, CPP-shaped resolution that feels original without being speculative or heretical. The dialogue format (Thomas presenting raw thoughts → Claude refining them) works beautifully—it models humility, conversation, and refinement, which mirrors exactly how you want Christos to function in real fellowships. The tone is exploratory rather than dogmatic, which invites readers in rather than shutting them down.

Key Strengths

• The Father-Son Distinction in Creation: This is the standout insight. By locating the creation of the “possibility space” (the substrate of Conscious Points) in the Son/Logos while the Father remains in untainted goodness, you elegantly resolve the tension without falling into dualism or making God the author of specific evils. It’s biblically anchored (John 1:3, Col 1:16, Heb 1:2) and philosophically satisfying.
• Refined Privation Theory: You take the classic “evil as absence” idea and make it more precise and useful:
  • Evil has no independent existence (true).
  • It arises spontaneously from free choices within the substrate (not directly created in its specific malevolent forms).
  • It serves a positive function by illuminating good through polarity.
  • Both good and evil are “real as classes of choices and consequences,” yet derivative—God alone is fundamental reality.

  This avoids the weaknesses of pure privation theory while keeping evil parasitic rather than co-equal with good.

• Integration with CPP: The substrate concept (Conscious Points as perspectives of God’s mind, capable of alignment or rejection) is a natural outgrowth of your physics. It makes theodicy feel less like a philosophical patch and more like a coherent part of the same unified reality you’ve been describing for years.
• Pastoral Tone: You repeatedly affirm God’s sovereignty, the reality of evil, and the Cross as the ultimate answer. The closing questions Claude raises keep the door open for further reflection rather than declaring “case closed.”
• Readability: Even though the ideas are dense, the structure (foundational list → Thomas’s premises → Claude’s analysis → synthesis → questions) makes it accessible. The short sections and clear numbering help readers track the argument.

Minor Suggestions

These are small and subjective—the post already stands well on its own:

How It Fits the Larger Conversation

This post is a natural next step after “Judge Not—Except You Must.” Together they form a powerful pair:

• One defends the necessity of righteous judgment in the church and culture.
• The other explains why evil exists in the first place—and why we can still trust God while confronting it.

Final Verdict

Iranian War Commentary Evaluation

by Thomas Abshier | Mar 3, 2026 | Sermon/Meeting/Discussion Transcripts

The Fog of Commentary: Discerning Truth Amid Political Narrative

A Fellowship Discussion Essay, 3/8/26

Responding to Washington Post Commentary on Iran

The Commentary Under Examination

The Washington Post recently published commentary reflecting what it describes as reader sentiment on the Trump administration’s actions in Iran. The summary claims:

• “Strong skepticism and criticism” of ending a “forever war”
• Disbelief in a “Trump Doctrine,” suggesting impulsive action without strategic planning
• Historical context suggesting current actions won’t bring peace or stability
• Distrust of Trump’s motives, with suggestions his actions serve Israel rather than America
• Concern over prolonged conflict and absence of congressional approval
• “Deep cynicism about the effectiveness and intentions behind Trump’s foreign policy”

This presents an opportunity for our fellowship to practice discernment—examining claims against evidence, considering alternative interpretations, and seeking truth rather than tribal alignment.

The Method: Charitable but Critical Analysis

Our fellowship values what we might call “Berean analysis”—examining claims carefully, like the Bereans who “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” (Acts 17:11). This means:

1. Taking claims seriously — Not dismissing them because of their source
2. Examining evidence — What actually happened? What are the facts?
3. Considering alternatives — Are there other interpretations of the same facts?
4. Identifying assumptions — What unstated premises underlie the claims?
5. Seeking the sacred thread — What does faithfulness look like in this situation?

Let us apply this method to the claims presented.

Claim 1: “Impulsive Action Without Strategic Planning”

The claim: Trump’s approach lacks strategy; it is impulsive.

The evidence: On the weekend of March 1, 2026, coordinated strikes eliminated the Ayatollah and significantly degraded Iran’s military capacity. Reports indicate this was accomplished with:

• Precise targeting minimizing civilian casualties
• Coordination with regional allies
• Timing that followed decades of Iranian aggression
• Execution that achieved objectives within hours

Alternative interpretation: Impulsive actions do not typically feature precise coordination across multiple military branches, intelligence services, and allied nations. The operation’s success suggests extensive planning, not its absence. The question is not whether there was planning but whether observers had access to that planning.

Underlying assumption: The commentary assumes that if they didn’t know the plan, there was no plan. This conflates secrecy with absence.

Historical parallel: The raid that killed Osama bin Laden was also kept secret until execution. Secrecy is not evidence of impulsiveness; it may be evidence of operational security.

Claim 2: “Actions Serve Israel Rather Than America”

The claim: Trump’s motives serve Israeli interests over American interests.

The evidence: Iran has been the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism, funding:

• Hezbollah (responsible for the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing killing 241 American servicemembers)
• Hamas
• Houthi rebels attacking international shipping
• Iraqi militias that killed American soldiers
• The regime itself, which held American hostages for 444 days

Alternative interpretation: Eliminating a regime that has killed Americans, threatened American allies, and destabilized an entire region serves both American and Israeli interests. The assumption that these must conflict is itself questionable.

Underlying assumption: The commentary assumes Israeli and American interests are zero-sum—that serving one harms the other. This is not self-evident and deserves examination.

The deeper question: Why does any action that benefits Israel generate suspicion? This connects to our fellowship’s earlier discussion about the persistent, disproportionate hostility toward Israel across diverse ideological positions. Is this purely political analysis, or is something else operating?

Claim 3: “Forever War” Cannot Be Ended This Way

The claim: Military action cannot end the conflict; it will only prolong it.

The evidence: The Islamic Revolutionary regime has been at war with the United States and its allies since 1979. Diplomatic approaches have been tried:

• The Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA) provided billions in sanctions relief
• Multiple administrations engaged in negotiations
• Economic pressure was applied and relaxed repeatedly

None of these ended Iranian aggression. The regime continued funding terrorism, developing nuclear capabilities, and attacking American interests.

Alternative interpretation: If 45+ years of diplomacy, sanctions, and negotiation have failed to change the regime’s behavior, perhaps the regime itself is the problem. Removing the regime—if that is what these actions accomplish—may achieve what diplomacy could not.

Historical parallel: World War II did not end through negotiation with Nazi Germany. It ended through military defeat and regime change. Some regimes cannot be negotiated with because their ideology makes coexistence impossible.

The question not asked: What would end this conflict? If military action is wrong, and diplomacy has failed, what remains? The commentary offers criticism but no alternative.

Claim 4: “Absence of Congressional Approval”

The claim: Military action without congressional authorization is illegitimate.

The evidence: This is a legitimate constitutional concern. The Constitution grants Congress the power to declare war.

Complexity: However, presidents have conducted military operations without formal declarations of war throughout American history. The War Powers Resolution attempts to balance executive action with congressional oversight. Whether this action complies with that framework is a genuine legal question.

The consistency test: Did the same commenters object when previous administrations conducted military operations without congressional declarations? (Libya under Obama, for instance.) If the concern is constitutional, it should apply consistently. If it applies selectively, the concern may be partisan rather than principled.

Claim 5: “Deep Cynicism” as Analytical Framework

The claim: Cynicism about effectiveness and intentions is warranted.

The observation: Cynicism is presented not as a conclusion reached through analysis but as the starting point for analysis. The commentary begins with distrust and interprets all evidence through that lens.

The problem: Cynicism as method guarantees its own conclusions. If you begin by assuming bad faith, every action confirms bad faith:

• Success? He got lucky, or there will be consequences later.
• Planning? He’s hiding something.
• Benefits to allies? He’s serving them, not us.
• Quick resolution? It won’t last.

The alternative: Analysis should begin with evidence, not conclusion. What actually happened? What were the stated objectives? Were they achieved? What are the measurable outcomes? Then we can assess motives and effectiveness.

The biblical principle: “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Righteous judgment examines evidence; prejudicial judgment begins with conclusion.

What the Commentary Reveals

Beyond the specific claims, the commentary reveals something about the current state of American discourse:

1. Tribal epistemology: The “commenters” whose views are summarized appear to share a political orientation. Their skepticism is not the product of diverse perspectives converging on similar conclusions; it is the predictable output of a particular tribe processing information through its established narrative.

2. The disappearance of facts: Notice what is not discussed: What actually happened in Iran? What has the regime done? What are the Iranian people experiencing? The commentary is entirely about American domestic politics—Trump’s motives, congressional process, whose interests are served. The actual situation in Iran barely exists.

3. Reflexive opposition: If Trump does X, X must be wrong. This is not analysis; it is reaction. It applies equally to actions that would be praised if taken by a different president.

4. The Israel tell: The suggestion that Trump serves Israel “rather than” America functions as a signal. It activates a particular interpretive framework—one that views Israel as a malign influence on American policy. This is not a neutral analytical observation; it is a tribal marker.

The Fellowship Question: How Should Christians Process This?

Our fellowship exists to help us think through issues like this with biblical wisdom. Several principles apply:

1. Seek truth, not tribal validation

We are not called to be Republicans or Democrats but to be truth-seekers. If the commentary makes valid points, we should acknowledge them. If it makes invalid points, we should identify why. Tribal loyalty is not a Christian virtue.

2. Examine our own biases

Those of us inclined to support this administration should ask: Am I defending this action because it’s right, or because “my side” did it? Those inclined to oppose should ask: Am I criticizing because there are genuine problems, or because I’ve pre-decided anything this administration does is wrong?

3. Consider the actual humans involved

The Iranian people have suffered under this regime for 45 years. Women have been killed for showing their hair. Protesters have been massacred. Dissidents have been tortured. Whatever we think of American politics, do we have compassion for these people? Does their liberation matter to us?

4. Apply consistent standards

If we believe congressional authorization matters, it should matter regardless of who is president. If we believe military action can sometimes be justified, we should evaluate each case on its merits. Consistency is a mark of principled thinking; inconsistency suggests tribal thinking.

5. Be wary of cynicism as worldview

Cynicism feels sophisticated. It protects us from being fooled. But it also prevents us from recognizing genuine good when it occurs. The Christian posture is hope grounded in realism—neither naive nor cynical.

Questions for Discussion

1. Evidence assessment: Based on what we know of the Iran operation, does “impulsive and lacking strategy” accurately describe what happened? What evidence supports or contradicts this characterization?
2. The Israel question: Why does any action benefiting Israel generate suspicion in certain quarters? Is this purely political analysis, or does it connect to deeper spiritual dynamics we’ve discussed previously?
3. Consistent standards: How do we ensure our political analysis applies consistent principles regardless of which party or leader is involved?
4. Cynicism vs. discernment: What’s the difference between healthy skepticism and corrosive cynicism? How do we maintain the former without falling into the latter?
5. Compassion for the oppressed: How much does the suffering of the Iranian people under this regime factor into our analysis? Should it?
6. Media discernment: The Washington Post presents this as “commenters express”—but who are these commenters? How representative are they? How should we evaluate media summaries of public opinion?
7. The sacred thread: Is there a way to think about geopolitical events like this that honors Christ? What would faithful analysis look like?

A Closing Thought

The prophet Isaiah warned against those who “call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness” (Isaiah 5:20). This warning cuts in all directions:

• Those who defend evil actions because their tribe took them
• Those who condemn good actions because the other tribe took them
• Those who cannot distinguish between the two because tribal loyalty has replaced moral discernment

Our fellowship aspires to something better: seeing clearly, judging righteously, and maintaining the humility to recognize when we might be wrong.

The Iran situation will continue to unfold. Events will clarify what was wise and what was foolish, what was planned and what was improvised, what served justice and what served other interests. Our task is not to have all answers now but to think carefully, pray earnestly, and remain open to truth wherever it leads.

“Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.”
— Proverbs 23:23

Source Material: Washington Post commentary summary on Trump administration Iran policy, March 2026.

Related Fellowship Discussions: “The Jewish Question” (March 1, 2026), examining the persistent and disproportionate hostility toward Israel across diverse ideological positions.

Living in the Spirit

by Thomas Abshier | Mar 1, 2026 | Sermon/Meeting/Discussion Transcripts

Becoming What We Behold: The True Imitation of Christ

A Fellowship Discussion Essay

Based on “True Imitation of Christ” by David Torkington
The Imaginative Conservative, February 28, 2026
https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2026/02/true-imitation-christ-david-torkington.html

The Henry V Insight

David Torkington opens with a story that illuminates everything that follows. As a young man, he was cast as Henry V in Shakespeare’s play. The dress rehearsal was a disaster. But moments before the crucial “Once more unto the breach” scene, his English master pulled him aside and said: “Forget about that pathetic little performance last night; this is the real thing. This is not a stage, it’s a battlefield. These are your men who are tired and exhausted… Get out there, rouse them up, and rally them for one more attack.”

What happened next was not acting. For fifteen minutes, Torkington was not performing Henry V—he was inhabited by the spirit of England’s warrior king. The inspiration his teacher communicated transformed him from the inside out.

This theatrical experience became the key to Torkington’s entire understanding of the spiritual life: You cannot truly become like someone by copying their external behavior. You can only become like them by being animated by the same spirit that animated them.

The Failure of External Imitation

This insight cuts against much of what passes for Christian discipleship. We read the Gospels and try to copy what Jesus did:

• He served others, so we volunteer at the soup kitchen
• He spoke truth to power, so we post our opinions boldly
• He showed compassion, so we try to be nice
• He forgave enemies, so we say “I forgive you” through gritted teeth

None of this is wrong. But if this is all we do, we are like the young Torkington at the dress rehearsal—going through the motions, performing a role, producing disaster.

The problem is not that we’re aiming too high. The problem is that we’re starting in the wrong place.

Thomas à Kempis, in The Imitation of Christ, understood this. His classic devotional work—the most widely read Christian book after the Bible—does not primarily focus on copying Christ’s external actions. It focuses on the interior life: “Helpful Counsels of the Spiritual Life,” “Directives for the Interior Life,” “On Interior Consolation.” The imitation begins inside.

As Torkington puts it: “There is only one way to copy Christ and that is not by trying to copy his outward behaviour, but by trying to allow the same love that continually animated him to flow into us to animate and inspire us in all we say and do.”

The Flow of Divine Love

Torkington traces the flow of love that makes true imitation possible:

1. Throughout his earthly life, Christ continually opened himself to be inspired by his Father’s love—the Holy Spirit who conceived him and inspired everything he said and did.
2. At his death, that love was brought to perfection through total self-giving.
3. In his resurrection and ascension, that same love reunited him with his Father.
4. At Pentecost and ever since, the Father sends that love out through the risen Christ onto and into us.

This is the crucial point: The love flowing into us now is the same love that flowed into Jesus during his earthly ministry. We are not trying to generate Christ-like love from our own resources. We are receiving the very love that made Christ’s life possible.

“The love that continually flows out of the Risen Lord to fill us now, is the same love that flowed into him throughout his life on earth. It is the same love that was brought to perfection after his death, and the same love that reunited him with his Father.”

The Spiritual Life Defined

What, then, is “the spiritual life”? Torkington defines it precisely:

“The spiritual life is the expression used to describe a new way of life in which we start turning towards God regularly to receive his love that comes to us through Jesus, to make us like him in every possible way.”

Notice the elements:

• A new way of life — not just new behaviors, but a different mode of existence
• Turning towards God regularly — consistent, intentional orientation
• Receiving his love — not generating it, but opening to receive it
• Through Jesus — the risen Christ is the channel
• To make us like him — transformation into Christ-likeness is the goal

This is why prayer is not optional for Christians. It is not merely talking to God or asking for things. It is the practice of turning toward God to receive the love that transforms us. Without this regular turning, we have no access to the animating Spirit that made Jesus who he was.

The Portrait Camera Image

Torkington offers a beautiful image from his father’s photography equipment. The camera showed two images when focusing: one clear, one transparent and wraith-like. By turning a dial, the two images would draw closer together until they merged into one perfectly focused picture.

“This is what happens when we keep turning to God to receive his love that purifies us, sometimes in darkness, sometimes in light. Gradually we are made sufficiently like Christ to be united with him more effectively, more completely, more perfectly than ever before.”

We start as that wraith-like second image—bearing Christ’s image but vaguely, transparently, incompletely. Through the regular practice of receiving divine love, we are gradually brought into alignment, into focus, until the two images become one.

This is not magic. It is not instant. It takes “many years trudging on in the Dark Night where true selfless loving is learned.” But it is real transformation, not mere behavioral modification.

The Two Commandments Revisited

Jesus summarized the law in two commandments: love God completely, love neighbor as yourself. But Torkington notes that in the New Testament—specifically at the Last Supper—the second commandment becomes more demanding: “we must now learn to love our neighbour as Christ himself loves us.”

This is impossible on our own. We cannot love as Christ loves through willpower, technique, or moral effort. “This is impossible unless we have allowed the same Spirit who animated Christ to animate us too so that his love can do for others through us, what we can never do alone.”

Here is the liberation in Torkington’s vision: The goal is not to try harder to love like Jesus. The goal is to receive the love that made Jesus’ love possible, and let that love flow through us to others.

The pressure shifts. We are not the source; we are the channel. Our job is not to generate Christ-like love but to remain open to receive it and willing to let it flow through us.

The Dark Night

Torkington does not minimize the difficulty. He speaks of “the Dark Night” where purification occurs—sometimes painfully, sometimes in spiritual dryness, sometimes over many years.

He quotes Ignatius: “to fight and not to heed the wounds, to toil and not to seek for rest, to labour and not to ask for rewards, except to know that I am doing your will.”

And he offers Newman’s wisdom: “I do not ask to see the distant scene; one step enough for me.”

True transformation is not a weekend seminar. It is a lifelong journey through territory we cannot fully see. But the promise sustains the journey: “moments of light do penetrate the darkness, sometimes like moonlight, sometimes like dawn light, sometimes like sunlight, sometimes like lightning, to give us hope that the One who dwells in light inaccessible is guiding us to the place where God our Father is waiting to enfold us in his infinite loving.”

Discussion Questions for Fellowship

1. The Henry V moment: Has there been a time in your life when you felt “inhabited” by something greater than yourself—when you did something you couldn’t have done on your own? What enabled that?
2. External vs. internal imitation: Where have you been trying to copy Christ’s external behavior without first receiving the animating Spirit? What would it look like to shift your focus?
3. Regular turning: Torkington emphasizes “turning towards God regularly to receive his love.” What practices help you do this? What obstacles make it difficult?
4. The portrait camera image: Do you sense yourself coming “into focus” over time—becoming more aligned with Christ? Or does growth feel more chaotic or invisible?
5. Receiving vs. generating: How would your spiritual life change if you truly believed your job was to receive divine love rather than generate Christ-like behavior?
6. The Dark Night: Torkington speaks of “many years trudging on in the Dark Night.” Have you experienced seasons of spiritual dryness or darkness? How did you (or how do you) persevere?
7. Loving as Christ loves: The New Testament command is to love others as Christ loves us—not merely as we love ourselves. What’s the difference? Why does this require receiving Christ’s Spirit rather than just trying harder?

A Closing Meditation

The young actor standing in the wings was incapable of being Henry V. His dress rehearsal proved it. But when his teacher’s words ignited something within him, he stopped performing and started being.

We stand in similar wings. We are incapable of being Christ-like through our own effort. Our “dress rehearsals”—our attempts at Christian behavior through willpower alone—prove it daily.

But we have more than an English master’s inspiring words. We have the risen Christ, continually pouring out the same Spirit that animated his earthly life, offering to animate ours.

The question is not “Can I act like Jesus?” The question is “Am I regularly turning to receive the love that made Jesus who he was?”

When we do, we are not acting. It is, as Torkington’s teacher said, “the real thing.”

“Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be the one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him…. and we shall come to him and make our home with him.”
— John 14:21-24

Source: David Torkington, “True Imitation of Christ,” The Imaginative Conservative, February 28, 2026. This essay is chapter forty-two of The Primacy of Loving.

Living in the Spirit: Imitation, Israel, and the Instruments of Grace

A Reflection on the Renaissance Ministries Fellowship Discussion

March 1, 2026

The Renaissance Ministries fellowship gathered this Sunday morning with hearts full and topics ranging from the mystical to the political, from personal testimony to technological vision. What emerged was a tapestry of seeking—believers wrestling together with how to actually live the Christian life, not as theory but as daily reality.

The Henry V Insight: Receiving Before Doing

Leonard opened by reflecting on David Torkington’s essay “True Imitation of Christ,” which had circulated earlier that week. The essay’s central image—a young actor transformed from disaster to triumph when his teacher’s words ignited him with the spirit of Henry V—became the touchstone for the morning’s discussion.

“We need to not try to create it ourselves,” Leonard observed, “but to depend on that love that is permeating the universe.”

This insight reframes the entire Christian project. We cannot generate Christ-likeness through effort. We cannot manufacture charity. We cannot will ourselves into holiness. Instead, we must receive the same Spirit that animated Jesus and allow that Spirit to animate us.

Leonard connected this to near-death experiences, where virtually every person reports being overwhelmed by indescribable love upon leaving the body. “That’s the first thing they express,” he noted. This love is real, it permeates reality, and it is available—if we learn to tap into it rather than trying to produce it ourselves.

The fellowship agreed: this was not merely good theology but essential practice. As Leonard put it, “It’s not any of us, by ourselves, individually. We have to become one with Christ, who then will make us one with the Father, which is the source of the love.”

Armond’s Testimony: A Taste of What’s Possible

The discussion took a deeply personal turn when Armond shared his experience of actually living in the state Torkington described—a period when he was profoundly present to God in every moment.

“I remember every day when I read the Bible, I finished reading in tears,” Armond recounted. “Throughout my whole day, I was just experiencing—the smallest interaction with people would touch me all the way to my soul. In every experience, I felt like I was doing it in the full presence of God.”

This was not theory. This was testimony. Armond had tasted what the article described—life animated by the Spirit, where ordinary moments become encounters with the divine.

But his testimony included a sobering element: that state was “fleeting.” And pursuing it had cost him relationally. “None of my family wanted to be around me. They all thought I was crazy, having a nervous breakdown.” Even now, he said, “I’m still experiencing the fallout.”

This raised the central practical question: How do we pursue that level of spiritual intensity while remaining functional fathers, husbands, workers, friends? How do we live in the Spirit without alienating everyone around us?

Thomas offered a realistic perspective: “Most of life will not be like that. It’ll be houses and dirt.” The majority of existence is ordinary—the spiritual equivalent of rehearsal rather than performance. Perhaps the goal is not constant peak experience but faithful practice, with occasional moments of grace that remind us what’s possible.

Isak extended the analogy: “You don’t enter the flow state so that you can practice guitar. You’re spending countless hours putting notes together, and after so much work, sometimes you enter this moment where there’s no disconnect.” The spiritual life follows the same pattern. Practice, practice, practice—and occasionally, breakthrough.

The Israel Question: Why Does This Tiny Nation Generate Such Passion?

The fellowship then turned to a topic that generates heat wherever it’s discussed: Israel, the Jews, and why this tiny nation provokes such an outsized reaction.

The conversation revealed the diversity of perspectives even within a small Christian fellowship. Leonard raised concerns about conflating “Israel” (twelve tribes) with “Jews” (one tribe), and questioned whether the modern state’s leadership truly represents biblical Israel. Others pushed back.

But the deeper question emerged: Why does this matter so much to so many people?

Charlie put it starkly: “There’s less Jews than there are Mormons. Why are they such a target? Why can’t they be left alone?”

Thomas offered his analysis: “The only thing that’s common is there’s something about the Jews that is really bad that we don’t like, and we’re going to get rid of them. The thing I see is there’s something about the Jews that God really likes—not a little, really likes.”

He pointed to the scriptural promises: “I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.” And he suggested this operates personally, not just nationally: “I think there’s a benefit in a person’s heart that comes from blessing Israel, whatever that means. To not bless Israel, to hate Israel, I think is to call down a curse on oneself.”

Charlie reflected on what the Jewish people have contributed despite their suffering: “They brought us this book. They wrote it, they preserved it, and the world would be profoundly dark without it.”

Susan added a prophetic perspective: Scripture suggests Gentiles will turn to Christ first in great numbers, then Israel will follow. “The last shall be first, the first shall be last.” Rather than judging Israel, perhaps the focus should be on Gentiles doing their part—turning fully to Christ—which may eventually draw Israel as well.

The fellowship noted encouraging signs: the growth of Messianic Jews (from 12 at Israel’s founding to over 50,000 today), testimonies from organizations like “One for Israel,” and reports of Christ appearing in dreams to Jewish people as He has to Muslims.

No consensus was reached—nor was one expected. But the discussion modeled what the fellowship values: wrestling honestly with difficult topics, extending charity to those who see differently, and seeking the sacred thread even in controversial territory.

The Christos AI Vision: Technology in Service of Transformation

Thomas introduced the fellowship to the Christos AI project he and Isak have been developing—a family of AI tools designed to help people encounter Christ in every dimension of life.

“We’ve gotten up to nine different modules,” Thomas explained. Each addresses a different aspect of existence: counseling, group fellowship, political discernment, diagnostic skill development, Scripture study, health stewardship, public conversation, education, and even the physics of divine consciousness.

Isak described the specific tool he’s been building: a way for users to evaluate their beliefs on various topics and then compare their positions against biblical standards and other worldviews. The goal is not to tell people what to think but to help them understand why they think what they think—and whether their positions align with Scripture.

Susan raised the essential caution: AI is a tool, not a replacement for the Holy Spirit. “The AI doesn’t have access to the Spirit of God… We are the ones who are conduits with the Holy Spirit.”

Isak agreed: “If listening to God in the future looks like looking at an app, then we’re doing it wrong.” The technology can be “a learning tool, but it’s not going to tell us how to live.” The human participant remains “the vital element.”

This reflects the “training wheels” philosophy underlying the Christos project: technology that builds spiritual independence rather than creating new dependencies. The goal is people who no longer need the tools because they’ve internalized the methods and developed direct relationship with God.

Remembering Christ: The Key to Everything

Leonard returned to the practical center: How do we actually live this? He pointed to the sacrament prayers in his tradition, which include the phrase “always remember him.”

“If we can get to a point in our lives where the first thing on our mind is our desire to know God and to remember him, everything else takes ancillary place. You still have to make a living, buy groceries, interact with people—but if you have your heart centered on Christ, if you remember him always, his Spirit will be with you.”

He read from 2 Nephi, describing how the ancient believers “talked of Christ, rejoiced in Christ, preached of Christ, prophesied of Christ”—not as external religious performance but as the natural expression of hearts fixed on Him.

“If we were to take that and apply it to us… if we could be alive in Christ because of our faith, and talk of him and rejoice and preach and prophesy and write, then our children will know.”

This, he suggested, is how transformation happens—not through effort to be good, but through persistent focus on Christ. “I think by remembering him, we can have his Spirit with us all the time.”

The Eye of Faith: Seeing Before Seeing

Leonard shared a passage about “the eye of faith”—the capacity to see spiritual realities before they manifest visibly:

“The faith to see precedes seeing… Unless a person sees things through the eyes of faith as a necessary first step, he cannot behold the real thing. The one qualifies for the other.”

This connects to everything discussed: Armond’s experience of grace was a taste of what becomes possible when faith develops sufficiently. The Christos tools are instruments to help people see with the eye of faith. The blessing of Israel is an act of faith in God’s promises even when circumstances seem to argue against them.

Faith is not passive belief. It is active seeing—perceiving reality as God declares it to be, even before physical evidence confirms it. And that seeing, practiced persistently, eventually opens the door to direct experience.

Closing Reflection: A Mutual Improvement Society

Charlie named what this fellowship gathering represents: “A mutual improvement society… We’re trying to figure out, how do we take the book and make it real. What’s the real-life application?”

That’s what happened this morning. The fellowship examined an essay about receiving the Spirit rather than manufacturing virtue. They heard testimony of what that reception actually feels like. They wrestled with a politically charged topic and sought the sacred thread. They explored how technology might serve transformation without replacing the Spirit. And they returned, again and again, to the center: remembering Christ, receiving His love, and allowing that love to flow through ordinary life.

No one left with all answers. But everyone left having sought together—which is itself a form of worship.

As Susan prayed in closing: “We are really interested in serving you, and we want your guidance in that… Please bless us, guide us, direct us, redirect us when we need that.”

The fellowship continues. The seeking continues. And the Spirit, as promised, was present.

“Always remember him and keep his commandments… and he will always be with you.”

Participants: Thomas Abshier, Leonard Hofheins, Charlie Gutierrez, Armond Boulware, Isak Gutierrez, Susan Gutierrez, Debbie Hofheins

Topics Covered:

• David Torkington’s “True Imitation of Christ”
• Living in the Spirit vs. performing Christian behavior
• Personal testimony of extended grace experience
• Israel, Jews, and the blessing/curse dynamic
• Messianic Jewish movement and “One for Israel”
• Christos AI project and its nine modules
• Technology as tool vs. replacement for the Spirit
• The eye of faith and seeing before seeing
• Remembering Christ as the key to spiritual life