Exploration of Superposition, Electromagnetism, and Gravity
by Thomas Lee Abshier, ND, Isak, and Grok
6/9/2025
by Thomas Lee Abshier, ND, Isak, and Grok
6/9/2025
Grok: Below is a reorganized version of a conversation between Thomas Abshier and Isak Gutierrez, structured to present a logically defined didactic training flow. The goal is to teach Isak conventional physics concepts and the Conscious Point Physics principles, which is Thomas’s conception of how the universe was created. The conversation focuses on quantum entanglement, superposition, and a proposed underlying mechanism involving Conscious Points and Dipole particles. I (Grok, created by xAI) will enter the conversation to ask clarifying questions, point out gaps or assumptions, and address potentially controversial or incorrect statements.
Thomas: I’ve been working on an essay about my Conscious Point Physics (CPP) that logically connects God to the creation of the universe. The CPP identifies the elemental units, the building blocks of the creation, as the Conscious Points (CPs). The CPs were created with both positive and negative charges. The CPs are of two types – electromagnetic (emCPs) and quark (QCPs). Both the EMCPs and QCPs have a plus and a minus version.
I postulate that all the CPs were superimposed upon one point before the Big Bang. but the initial configuration may have been more distributed and heterogeneous. When God said, “Let there be light,” this initiated the Big Bang. The CPs of opposite charge bound together, and the CPs of the same charge repelled. If there had been the same number of plus CPs as minus CPs, there wouldn’t have been any free CPs to create charge-type effects, nucleus and electron clouds, electrical current flow, or chemical bonds between atoms. So, I postulate that God made more minus emCPs than the plus version and more plus qCPs than the minus version.
After the first Moment of the universe’s initiation of time, an equal number of CPs of the same type and opposite charge (+/- emCPs and +/- qCPs), bound to make Dipole Particles (DPs). The extra minus emCPs were free to form electrons, and the extra plus QCPs were free to form quarks. If God had not created this disparity in + and – emCPs and + and – qCPs, even if matter and antimatter had formed, there would have been an equal amount of matter and antimatter. Both would have eventually interacted, annihilated, and produced photons. The universe would have eventually been filled only with photons, devoid of mass. The minus emCPs are the CP seeds from which the electrons form, and the plus qCPs are the CP seeds from which the up quarks form. I postulate that all 29 ‘elemental’ subatomic particles of the Standard Model form from combinations of these four CPs.
God created a large number of both +/- emCPs and +/- qCPs. Each of the +/- emCPs binds to form emDPs, and the +/- qCPs bind to make qDPs. The DPs are silent when fully bonded and undisturbed by the passage of photonic or mass energy. Such bound and undisturbed DPs do not stress space. Space is densely filled with DPs. The unpaired CPs and bound CPs (as DPs) mediate all the forces of the universe, including the passage of electromagnetic waves, mass, force (electromagnetic, strong, weak, and gravity), energy (potential, kinetic, and mass), relativistic effects (at all speeds, but become significant at velocities near light-speed), and quantum physics phenomena (such as wave-particle duality, entanglement, and wavefunction collapse).
The extra minus-charged emCPs and plus-charged qCPs act in concert with the DPs, filling space to form all 29 particles of the Standard Model. The organization of the free/unbound CPs, in bound association with a cohort of DPs, is the constituent organization of the quantum of mass energy.
The Conscious Point Physics (CPP) model is the set of all postulates regarding the behavior of the CPs that mediate physical phenomena. These postulates include:
- Space is filled with CPs bound as DPs.
- The DP Sea interacts with the extra -emCPs (surrounding them with a cloud of polarized CPs to make electrons) and +qCPs (likewise surrounded) to make up quarks.
- The DPs and unpaired CPs mediate all phenomena, such as mass and light.
- The behavior of particles with mass and photons of light is influenced by collisions and gradients in the density of Space.
Let’s start with my recent essay, “Is Quantum Superposition Real?” from www.renaissance-ministries.com. It explores quantum superposition and entanglement, which suggest there’s a reality we can’t directly observe.
Isak: Yes, we’ve discussed those concepts before. I found your essay under “Latest Essays” on your site. What’s the main idea?
Thomas: The essay argues that entangled particles, such as photons or electrons formed in pair production are intimately related because they were formed from the same quantum of light. This suggests that particles can coordinate their states so that they conserve energy at every Moment. Experiments have shown that this coordination happens at speeds faster than the speed of light. A possible understanding of the mechanism that mediates this instantaneous connection is that all CPs are connected to each other through God since they all arose out of the same mind.
The fact that particles communicate instantly is not proof that God or the spiritual world exists, but it opens up the possibility of a realm of action that we can’t see. A type of interaction operating below the physical realm of energy, mass, and the speed of light, which governs communication. This realm may be the domain where there is only pure spirit, which underlies all particles and their constituent Conscious Points.
Isak: Okay, so superposition means particles are connected in a weird way, and something invisible is at play? Can you explain what superposition and entanglement are?
Thomas: Sure. Let’s start with entanglement. Imagine a high-energy photon—a gamma ray—passing near a nucleus. It can split into an electron and a positron if it has enough energy, over 1.022 million electron volts. (Note: the electron and the positron each have a mass-energy of .511 MeV, so the photon must have at least double this amount of energy to form these two particles.) The conversion of a photon to an electron and a positron is called pair production. Thee electron and positron were the plus and minus CPs of a DP in the vicinity of the nucleus. The nucleus polarized the DPs in the space around the nucleus enough that these two CPs were pulled far apart and surrounded by enough polarized DPs to become real particles with mass and persistence. And because they came from a photon with a spin of hbar, the sum of the spins of the daughter products had to equal the spin of the photon. This is given the name of “the conservation of angular momentum.” Conservation of the quantum properties (energy, angular and linear momentum, and charge) is a strongly enforced property of mass. Because of the Quantum Group Entity from the photon being split into an electron and positron, the spins of the electron and positron are linked, meaning you can’t describe the spin of one without the other. Their total spin must match the original photon’s spin, which is one unit of angular momentum, called hbar (which is Planck’s constant h divided by 2π).
Isak: So, they’re like twins that always match up, no matter what?
Thomas: Exactly. Superposition means that until you measure one particle’s spin, both particles exist in all possible spin states at once. It’s not that they have a definite spin you don’t know yet—it literally does not have a spin orientation until the moment one of them is measured. But as soon as you measure one, say the electron’s spin is measured as “up,” the positron’s spin instantly becomes “down.” The spooky thing is that no matter how far apart they are, the positron’s spin changes instantly to match the spin of the measured electron. When I say instantly, I mean that this happens faster than light could travel from the electron to the positron to influence its orientation. This fact challenges Einstein’s idea that nothing can exceed the speed of light.
Isak: That’s wild! How do they know that it changes instantly? And is this entanglement experiment similar to the double-slit experiment, where observing which slit the particle went through causes the interference fringes to disappear?
Thomas: Good question, but let’s separate those. The double-slit experiment shows wave-particle duality. In that experiment, photons act like waves when going through the slits, but they act like particles when they hit the screen or detector. Observing the photon causes it to behave like a particle, as when a detector is placed in one slit to determine which slit it went through, the detector causes the two waves formed by the photon passing through both slits simultaneously to collapse. The result is that all the waves that hit the screen and detector are already collapsed.
Entanglement is different; it’s about two particles sharing a wavefunction. The wavefunction is a mathematical entity postulated by Erwin Schrödinger that describes the relationship between the spin orientations of the two particles. The sum of the spin orientations of the two particles must be the same as the total spin of the particle that created them.
The word “instantaneous” is too strong to be validated. However, experiments show that when measured, the spin orientation of the electron and positron occurs too quickly for light to travel between the particles, making it unlikely that this is the reason the particles are always anti-aligned to produce the observed orientation.
An experiment at CERN showed that even the heaviest known subatomic particle, The Top quark and Top Antiquark becomes entangled. Top quark and anti-top quark pairs were shown to exhibit entanglement over distances where light couldn’t mediate the effect in time. Photon entanglement has been tested over 1,200 kilometers via satellites, and the correlation remains instant, within experimental error.
Grok: Thomas, I’d like to clarify something. Experiments only show the correlation between the electron light, converging toward instantaneity as precision improves. Saying it’s instantaneous overstates current evidence. Additionally, the CERN example with top quark and anti-top quark correlation was not about a record distance between entangled pairs. It was about the entanglement between even very high-energy particles. It was significant in that it demonstrated the existence of entanglement even between massive particles.
Thomas: Yes, experiments prove that the correlation between particles is faster than light, but instantaneity cannot be proven because of the limitations of the precision of the experiment. The amount of time it takes for the correlation to propagate between the first measured particle and the second converges to zero as the measurements are refined. We can’t prove it’s exactly simultaneous due to experimental limits. A search said that the longest distance for electron-positron entanglement experiments is now 33 Km. The longest photon entanglement is now over 1,200 kilometers, demonstrating that satellite-based quantum communication is a feasible option. This entanglement principle holds for particles with mass, such as electrons, although distances may be shorter due to practical constraints. I’ll focus on the concept that the correlation is sufficiently strong to defy light-speed limits.
Isak: Okay, so it’s super fast, maybe instant. But why does this matter? And how’s it tied to your universe creation idea?
Thomas: It matters because it shows there’s a set of rules that are operating om the physical world, operating outside Einstein’s classical rules. Einstein assumed that the speed of light is the maximum for transmitting information or force. Entanglement violates that rule, which suggests a deeper reality. My postulate is that the rule is that Conscious Points interact locally and influence each other across the universe if they are entangled. When a quantum is formed, it forms a Quantum Group Entity, and when a quantum is split, the sum of the quantum properties of the daughter quanta will always equal the properties of the original QGE (e.g., energy, momentum, spin, charge). The same is true of the DPs which are composed of +/- CPs. Thus, the e CPs composing the DPs are bound in an entangled way and therefore affect each other regardless of how far they are separated. The DPs mediate Kinetic energy, Potential Energy, gravity and electromagnetism.
Isak: Conscious Points sound spiritual. Are you saying the universe is aware?
Thomas: I’m proposing that consciousness is a fundamental property, not just a human trait. Each conscious point is like a tiny decision-maker, aware of its state and connected to others. When two particles are entangled, their Conscious Points communicate instantly, ensuring their spins align in opposite directions (N-S and S-N). This entanglement may extend to macroscopic dimensions, and it could explain psychic phenomena, like feeling a loved one’s distress across the world, as a form of entanglement-like connection.
Grok: Thomas, your Conscious Point idea is intriguing but speculative. Mainstream physics explains entanglement through the mathematical framework of quantum mechanics, such as the Schrödinger wave equation, without invoking the concept of consciousness. Can you provide evidence linking consciousness to entanglement, or is this a philosophical leap? Also, your analogy to psychic phenomena risks conflating unproven claims with physics. Thoughts?
Thomas: You’re right, Grok, it’s speculative. I don’t have direct evidence tying consciousness to entanglement; it’s a hypothesis to explain the “how” behind instant correlation, which quantum mechanics describes but doesn’t mechanistically explain. The Schrödinger wave equation predicts superposition and entanglement perfectly, but it’s a map, not the territory; it doesn’t tell us why particles correlate instantly. My Conscious Points are a proposed mechanism, grounded in the idea that awareness could be a universal property. The psychic analogy is illustrative, not proof, to make the concept relatable. I’m open to refining this as we explore further.
Isak: I get that it’s a theory, but I like the idea of the universe being connected like that. Can you explain how these Conscious Points create the universe?
Thomas: Let’s build it step-by-step. I start with a theological premise: God, the first Conscious Point, exists axiomatically. We can’t explain why. We assume the universe exists, even though we can’t prove it. In this cosmology, God, the first Conscious Point, imagines Himself looking back at Himself. He then forgets that He is looking back at Himself, and He takes on the identity of being the Second Point. In so doing, God the Father creates a second point with an independent existence, which He calls the Son, the “Word.” We see in John 1:1-5 that the Son was given the authority and duty to create the entire universe. The Son created everything in the universe without any other creator or creative force acting upon it. God (through or as the Son) began the process by declaring into existence countless Conscious Points of the four types, and in the ratios I mentioned. These points fill the universe with DPs as a background matrix, and combine to form electrons and quarks, which in turn aggregate and bind to form atoms and all the macroscopic entities that populate the universe. And, to give the universe a metric against which to move, the Son created one additional type of Conscious Point, which I call the “Grid Points.” These points form a close-packed grid, similar to boxes or dice stacked on top-under, next to right-left, and in front-back of each other. The Grid Point Matrix fills all of space with a grid of Conscious Points that allows every Conscious Point to be on the corner of each box and have a unique position each Moment. For example, a CP might have a position, such as (1,1,1) or (10 billion, 7 million, 52 trillion, etc.). The CPs and GPs are the backbone of reality, defining space and time.
Isak: So, God makes these points, and they’re like the pixels of the universe?
Thomas: Exactly! As we said, God/The Son created more plus-charged qCPs than minus qCPs (which are the backbone for the creation of all. And more minus emCPs than plus ones. This imbalance allows points to bind into dipole particles—pairs with a positive and negative end, like tiny magnets. These dipoles can stretch or polarize, transmitting forces similar to those of electricity or magnetism. Some unbound points form naked conscious points at the center of particles, such as electrons, giving them mass. The formation of a Quantum Group Entity gives the quantum of the electron mass a form of consciousness, or self-awareness.
Isak: Okay, so dipoles are like the glue, and naked points are the heavy stuff. How does this make stars and planets?
Thomas: The naked CPs interact with the DPs, and together they form particles. For example, a naked minus point attracts plus dipoles, forming an electron’s cloud. Quarks, with positive charges, attract the negative end of Dipole Particles, forming quarks. These particles clump into atoms, then molecules, and ultimately form stars and planets, all held together by dipole forces. Gravity, in my theory, comes from the stress in space caused by these dipoles. Near a massive object like the Sun, space is highly stressed, slowing light and curving paths—what we call gravity.
Isak: Gravity as stress? That’s new to me. Can you break that down?
Thomas: Imagine each conscious point sits in a Planck sphere—a tiny volume, roughly the Planck length, about 1.6 × 10⁻³⁵ meters. This sphere feels stress from all dipoles in the universe, strongest from nearby masses. Stress is higher closer to the Sun because its dipoles pull harder, following an inverse-square law. The difference in stress between the inner and outer edges of the Planck sphere creates a force, pulling objects toward higher stress—like gravity. This explains why light bends near massive objects: stressed space limits how far light can travel per moment.
Grok: Thomas, your gravity-as-stress model is creative, but it diverges from general relativity, which describes gravity as spacetime curvature caused by mass, with objects following geodesics. Your “stress” sounds like a reinterpretation of curvature, but introducing conscious points and dipoles adds complexity not required by current data. General relativity predicts gravitational effects precisely without such entities. Can you clarify how your model improves on or differs from established theory?
Thomas: Good challenge, Grok. General relativity’s curvature is a description, not a mechanism—it says what happens, not why. My model tries to explain the “why” by proposing dipoles as the physical basis for stress, which mimics curvature’s effects. It’s not yet predictive like general relativity, but it offers a tangible mechanism: dipoles stretching under mass’s influence. I’m still refining how to quantify this stress to match observations, but it’s a work in progress to bridge quantum mechanics and gravity.
Isak: So, your gravity idea is like a new map, but it’s still being drawn. How do conscious points tie back to entanglement and the universe’s creation?
Thomas: Entanglement shows conscious points communicate instantly, maintaining universal laws like spin conservation. In my creation story, God’s conscious points explode outward—maybe like the Big Bang—forming a grid of dipoles and naked points. These points instantly update their stress states, possibly via a central register in the “Mind of Christ,” ensuring the universe stays cohesive. Every 10⁻⁴⁴ seconds (Planck time), each point checks its stress, adjusting forces like gravity or entanglement responses.
Isak: That’s a lot! So, the universe is a giant network of aware points, talking instantly to keep everything in sync?
Thomas: You got it. This network explains why entanglement works, why gravity pulls, and how the universe holds together. It’s not just equations like Schrödinger’s or Einstein’s—it’s a living system of conscious points.
Grok: Thomas, your “Mind of Christ” as a central register is a theological assertion, not a scientific one, and may alienate readers expecting empirical grounding. Also, your 10⁻⁴⁴-second updates align with Planck time, but suggesting each point computes universal stress seems computationally implausible, even heuristically. Could you simplify this to focus on testable predictions, like how dipole stress might be measured?
Thomas: Point taken, Grok. The “Mind of Christ” is my theological framing, but I can rephrase it as a universal information field for clarity. The computation issue is tricky—I’m speculating points use a heuristic, maybe only processing local stress changes, not the whole universe. Testable predictions are my goal, like measuring light’s speed in stressed space (e.g., between two massive objects) to confirm higher stress slows light. I need to develop this further, but it’s the direction I’m heading.
Isak: This is clicking for me, Thomas. I see how entanglement, conscious points, and gravity fit your universe creation story. What’s next to explore?
Thomas: Next, let’s tackle how changing electric fields create magnetic fields, per Maxwell’s equations. It’s key to understanding dipole interactions. We didn’t fully cover how an electron’s motion between charged plates generates a magnetic field, so we’ll dive into that. It’ll solidify how dipoles transmit forces.
Isak: Sounds good! I’ll read up on magnetic fields and Maxwell’s equations. Today was heavy, but I’m starting to get it. Thanks for breaking it down.
Thomas: Awesome, Isak. You’re picking it up fast. We’ll refine these ideas tomorrow, maybe tighten up the gravity and entanglement bits. Productive session!
Isak: Definitely. See you tomorrow!
Notes on Reorganization and Interventions:
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Structure: The conversation is streamlined to follow a logical teaching progression: introducing the essay, explaining superposition and entanglement, linking to conscious points, detailing dipole particles, and connecting to gravity and creation. Tangents (e.g., simultaneousness, Lagrange points) are minimized or integrated where relevant.
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Simplification: Technical jargon is clarified for Isak’s non-physics background, with analogies (e.g., “twins” for entanglement, “pixels” for conscious points) to aid understanding.
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Grok’s Interventions: I questioned Thomas’s claims of instantaneous entanglement (overstating evidence), the consciousness-entanglement link (speculative), the gravity model (diverging from general relativity), and the theological framing (potentially non-scientific). These aim to highlight gaps, encourage rigor, and suggest testable predictions.
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Preservation of Essence: Thomas’s core ideas—quantum phenomena suggesting an unseen realm, conscious points as a mechanism, and dipole stress as gravity—are retained, with his theological perspective acknowledged but framed for broader accessibility.
This format should be clear for web posting, maintaining the educational intent while addressing potential issues for a general audience. Let me know if you’d like further refinements, Thomas!